Sacrifice

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Thank You All For Your Input Thus Far, Lets Carry on A Friendly Debate in General Discussion

natasha~

every game mus have their own way to reward the players with cash items and mwo has its own lv40 reward. this was meant to keep the players to stick onto the game with some %tage they'll invite others to play along...this was kinda atttraction to the game. then more players will join brings them more business opportunity. its just a simple marketing concept, more ppl = more network = more business. grown up know how to do their job lol. who said the game were'nt earning??otherwise they already closed down and no more mwo v 2.0.

valasca

Plat farming = no new people= no more network= less business= one dying game and the cheaters don't care as in life when they've finished one scam they'll move onto the next.

colgonk

well plat buyer the right because of unfairness happen.
rodzi Post at 2009-8-25 03:44

I think you've misunderstood me. I posted that in favour of Val's comments on the unfairness and not against. I meant that her initial response was tame compared to many posts/posters on here.

(EDIT)-But, just to keep it on topic. Of course it's wrong. And, as to the comments about the game having more enforcement from the GM's? We really, really need this. If corrupt players are having a light slap on the wrist then allowed back on to play, what message is this sending out to others? No wonder some people get pissed.

Terminator

Plat farming = no new people= no more network= less business= one dying game and the cheaters don't care as in life when they've finished one scam they'll move onto the next.
valasca Post at 2009-8-25 22:01

100% agree with it

Sunshine

Lol, love you Val And I like this post Sac and Luck, put a lot of energy into it.. Mail this whole post WITH all replys to a GM? Would force them to read it all and with some luck they will answer: We are aware of plat-farming..

xRenegade

First of all, your use of Capital Letters In Front Of Each Word IS REALLY ANNOYING.

With that said, did you not hear what I said about the the equivalent exchange between time and money?

You claim that it's obviously cheating because people can plat farm for a couple hours and get the amount of plat you buy? Have you considered just how many hours that is now? For 1k plat, at 20 plat per hour, a person has to play constantly, rotating characters in and out, for 50 hours straight. That's called working hard, not cheating.

FURTHERMORE, before you take the above statement the wrong way, although you probably will since you don't have much sense, AGAIN, EVERYONE CAN PLAT FARM. Your main argument is that:

"But For ME To Spend Money and Other People Get For Free, Please Justify How Thats Fair?"

Again, how the hell do you type like that... it's annoying. But the real point is that.... um... everyone gets it for free. MWO Ambassador, lvl 40, EVERYONE. When you spend money, you just happen to get more than a person that doesn't plat farm or buys plat. So why are people getting more plat than you when you buy plat? Because they're putting 10x the amount of WORK you're putting in the game. Which makes sense if you have a job, raise a living etc. but the amount of money you're making that has to be A LOT more than a plat farmer can possibly compete with.

I would continue this argument, but something tells me no one will read through the reasoning and change their biased perspectives.

rodzi

from my point of view..you got a point there..but plat farming still plat farming and its ILLEGAL..ask GM why its ILLEGAL  not showing biased to any forum member, me agree its unfairness to plat buyer. 10x hardwork doing ILLEGAL thing wont same with 1x LEGAL thing

Corinne

Hi everyone. I use to spent about 200+ USD a month on plats. But stop doing its for 2 month already. Only buy 1000 plats a month or 2. Cause Farmer have better gears then me n laugh at we plat buyer for beening stupid. Pay money for game plats. They forget that its our money that make the game going. I email n complained about stuff like this a couple of times but still nothing is been done lol. Well so i decided to stop buying or buy a little if really need to. Anyway once the new map is up, we will see players with lvl 80, 90 100+ in new map. imagine them doing farming in the higher lvl map. say every kill is one lvl to lvl 40. Multi acc with i main 4 noob give 80 plat with 40 mob kill. So was wondering why I use my money to pay for plat when farmer farm them easily. Luckily this game is not popular til people will pay real money for godly stuff. If not those r not just farmer but godly rich farmer.

farmernightmare

89# Corinne


It's so true...removing the lvl40 reward system and reduce pt cost!

kapsas112

corinne... dun u plat farm yourself also?

Luck

Ok, seeing as this is still an ongoing thread, I will add to this conversation once again. Someone says that it is not fair to someone who does not make much money  IRL to not have access to plat and items in the mall. Yet that same person states that anyone who is basically of legal age to work can make 8-10 USD an hour. If this is the case, then yes, everyone has "Access" to the same items if they so chose without the illegal activity of farming plat.

Lets look at this issue from outside the box for a minute. This game is a F2P game which is funded by an established system of funding called an item mall. Like in real life, a mall s someplace you can go to get something that you cannot get elsewhere. Now, if you were to go to a mall and take something from one of the shops without paying for it... what would the consequences be? isn't that illegal? as far as I am concerned it is shoplifting. and by people doing this they are causing several things to happen....
1.) The shop owner does not see as much of a profit...
2.) The shop owner may not stay in business due to lack of profits...
3.) The shop owner may not have sales or bargains anymore as they cannot afford to do so due to profit loss
4.) The thieves who got away with the shoplifting spread the word that the shop is an easy mark for future would be thieves... and the

I don't care what you think about me personally, but Plat farming to me is an in game version of Shop Lifting and everyone except the thieves lose....

and a little clarification here, it would take One UM with an Elite Lizard in Bog (Flies) 1 hour and 15 minutes to raise 4 alts to lvl 40 on Bliss (D). if they do this 5 times a day, ( with the current plat\hammer prize) that would be 400 plat and 200 hammers ( at 10 pt per) that comes up to be 2400 plat in 6 hours and 15 minutes. Do the math... comes to approximately $101.97 USD Net loss per plat farmer per day.
or the equivalent of some one working 6 1/2 hours at the pay-rate of $16.31\hr USD.

Now, lets do some more math here....

+20 GWeap and a statistical analysis on the probability of success and the effect that just one has on the economy of the game and plat purchases.

Lets start for the sake of argument with a GWeap that is already at +12 as that is not really that hard to get:
We shall make some assumptions here to ease the calculations a bit like average number of tries and that the individual uses Burning Point Crystals instead of Soul Protects as that is the cheapest way to do it.
So, established price of 250pt per Super and 150pt per BP Xtal. and * nest to the success rate meensa I am not entirely sure so please feel free to correct it

165 pt -  $7.99 USD
330 pt - $14.99 USD
1100 pt - $46.99 USD

+12->+13, 88%,  3 tries, Items  12 Supers and  2 BP's, Total  3300pt or  $140.97 USD
+13->+14, 53%,  4 tries, Items  16 Supers and  3 BP's, Total  4450pt or  $195.95 USD
+14->+15, 28%,  6 tries, Items  24 Supers and  5 BP's, Total  6750pt or  $289.93 USD
+15->+16, 17%, 10 tries, Items  40 Supers and  9 BP's, Total 11350pt or  $477.89 USD  
+16->+17, 13%, 18 tries, Items  72 Supers and 17 BP's, Total 20550pt or  $883.79 USD
+17->+18,*10%, 25 tries, Items 100 Supers and 24 BP's, Total 28600pt or $1221.74 USD
+18->+19, *7%, 32 tries, Items 128 Supers and 31 BP's, Total 36650pt or $1565.66 USD
+19->+20, *2%, 47 tries, Items 188 Supers and 46 BP's, Total 53900pt or $2302.51 USD
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Totals        145 tries        580 Supers    137 BP's       165550pt    $7078.44 USD

Now, this all being said and done... in a real mall that would be considered Grand Larceny and is a Felony.

Belzebub_pl

ask the guy that make +20 how many stuff he spend ...
what for bother speculating

Luck

93# Belzebub_pl


That's the point, they didn't spend a Dime, they farmed the plat

kapsas112

+18 25 tries? i know 2 ppl who made +18 on 2nd try.. and total tries to make +18 think he had 13 or 14 failed attempts..

Dorêw

Better log into Aurora , pm Penelope_beauty and ask what he had to go trough to get +20 weap

Sacrifice

Better log into Aurora , pm Penelope_beauty and ask what he had to go trough to get +20 weap
Dorêw Post at 2009-8-26 15:00

Pen Is a Perfect Example Of Someone I Am Not Pleased To See In The Game.

Pen Was Banned For Farming -PLAT

And Later Let Back Into The Game --------------------------------------- With The Same Gear He/She Cheated To Get............................................ ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! And GMs Say There Doing Something?

AND - To Add To That Note -

Pen Is Also The Same Person Who Trys Selling IAS LvL 4 Ammys In Country For 700 Plat

Is IAS LvL 4 Ammys Worth 700 Plat ? In Your Server? 100k Per Plat Thats 70mil

Why Does Pen Not Care And See No problem With This Stupid Price?

Because He/She Cheated To get Gears And Trys To Overprice Things Because He/She Already Too Greedy For What She Does Have And Wants More

Perfect Example of a Plat Farmer Only Helping Themselves And Not The Game

And People Like Me/Others Spend Real Life Money On Gears He/She Had To Cheat To Get?

Pen Was Reported To Have Farmed 40k+ Free Plat - Thats Almos 1.7k USD - Show Me Pens Plat Record For Purchasing 40,000 Plats And Then I Will Stop Complaining About The 1.2k USD Myself/Luck Spent to Get Our Gears - But Mine Wernt Free - You Guys Try And Justify That As "Being Fair"

farmernightmare

92# Luck


it's all depended on luck..the success rate doesn't mean anything...!!
Perfortating Crystal, senior intensified crystal, APS , and Luck Hammer are all the perfect examples to show the success rate is meanless.!!so your calculation is just a math, doesn't mean anything really!

farmernightmare

97# Sacrifice


Make ur discussion clearly, It's a Necklace +4 IAS sold for 700plats..as I knew someone sold IAS+4amulet for 40-50m in game already. also, in Aurora, 1pt=100k which means people already sold APS for 10M and repair oil for 3M. but for some item like gold soul(180pt) is only 10M each.  Wonder why?

The gold in game becomes useless due to so many UM faming pt and faming gold at the same time.

anyhow, as someone mentioned in game, the price is just a price, u can buy it or u don't buy it. So Simply.

the price for IAS+4 will go down later on..or make one when new maps come out tomW.

farmernightmare

95# kapsas112


LOL..so Am I failed +12 to +13 with 20 more tries with 32% rate with 4 big blesses, and got success from +13 to +14 with10% rate with one try. LOL