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I would like to clarify some facts regarding both classes.

First,  Angel Mirage and Befall Demon skill (hereby known as angel or demon respectively) are mirrors of each other.   Angel and Demon do the same amount of damage, but their level 70 skill and the fact angels can use skills is what makes them different.

Angel

Angels can use skills, but only level 50 and up (Poison Kiss, Deep Dizzy and Enhanced Attack),  however their skill damage are solely Skill AP based (except for Enhanced Attack).  Basically, some skills require either physical or skill damage, sometimes both. but Angels rely on Skill AP.  Angels  (holy damage) get the same amount of damage as Demons do (dark damage).

Demon

Demons are more like a berzerker, relying on Physical damage instead of Skill damage.  Gloomy Cultivation raise their physical damage and physical rebound attribute.  The fact that demons get an increased amount of physical rebound, and angels able to cast skills is the only difference.

Now as for weapons,  Golden Beastmasters and Demon are more in need of a scythe with leech in a physical gweapon.  However, the scythe will be useless if their IAS isn't more than lv 10 (which is about 20% more attack speed) but 15 at best (about 30%).  

A whip is more suitable for a Devil beastmaster and Angel. Let me explain:
Poison kiss at level 1 does skill damage between 600-900 ever 3 seconds for 15 seconds with a 20 second cooldown.  This skill is only SKill AP based.  Whips are faster than scythes, and have more skill AP.   With Angel, many find balance more important than pure (meaning that Whip in a Physical gweapon instead of Skill gweapon).  However, a scythe in a Skill gweapon is better for an Angel at  or above level 60.  Skill weapon can get over 1250 Skill AP bonus, so math dictates 1850-2050 per tick on poison kiss( I'm actually gathering data for the formula for poison kiss; therefore this statement not accurate yet).  Furthermore, combining a scythe in a skill gweapon will keep your Physical AP concurrent with your damage from skills.

So what I'm trying to say is that the differences between Angel and Demon are small.  In my honest opinion,  Angel better in PvP but a Demon better for PvE because maintenance comparisons.  However, equipment is always the decisive factor.

I hope this helps.  I wanted to give more but did not want a wordy review.


Finished gathering data regarding poison kiss.  Poison kiss damage is Total Skill Ap*.3 (rounded off to the nearest decimal)  For example:  If you're Skill ap is 547 and poison kiss is lv1 (600-800 damage), then 547*.3 is 164.1.   Therefore Poison kiss damage is 764-964.   So with 1250 bonus from Skill gweapon, COULD have 514 poison kiss damage increase (350+164 ).   That's  1114-1314 poison damage at Lv1 Poison kiss every 3 seconds.  I assume earth damage by point or percent increases it as well.  Going to see if it does.  

Now as for "COULD"

I'm  trying to find someone with a Skill AP gweapon (which is hard because most, if not all, have physical gweapon), because I don't know if the 1250 is actually stacked (meaning it increases the skill by the bonus displayed) or is it part of the 3% damage increase equation.  Guess in laymen's term: is it all 1250 or 350.

Next is Deep dizzy (which does damage as well as stuns a target) to see if it does physical or skill damage (I'm pretty sure it was skill last time I checked, but not sure), as well as it's damage
bonus increase-percentage.
but you shouldnt be using a scythe just the scythes attributes on a whip kuro
ilikepotatos Post at 2009-3-3 18:21
heh....my gears are from healer so made only skill dmg whip with st gold attributes.... didn't wanna make new set of equips for illu...and whip has critic skill ap wich is really nice for illu.
Angel and Demon do the same amount of damage, but their level 70 skill and the fact angels can use skills is what makes them different.

Angel get's 5000 holy dmg and demon get's 12k dark dmg -_-
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They both 12k, make an angel and see.  Ive asked around the veteran players in chinese server, and they concur the amount being the same.  That's of course if they telling the truth, post a screenshot of both and we'll see.  Until then, its equally 12k.

Ciao
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43# Kuromeru


They both 12k, make an angel and see.  Ive asked around the veteran players in chinese server, and they concur the amount being the same.  That's of course if they telling the truth,  ...
xxxx Post at 2009-3-4 02:31
i have lv73 illusion angel and it's holy dmg is 4500 now. It has increased every angel lvl by 500 but if it gonna increase to 12k somehow...only way is that passive books increase it but that's higly unlikely...today we have book trade event so if i get the books...ill inform if they increse it.
probly not
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i have lv73 illusion angel and it's holy dmg is 4500 now. It has increased every angel lvl by 500 but  ...
Kuromeru Post at 2009-3-4 13:21
Passive books don't increse holy dmg like i tought lol
lvl 66 falling angel, 3.3k dark dmg, +600 def, +400 phy dmg, no mp pot using, 99k hp, 66k mp
can kill mostly anything in the game without full st.

i love my class
You may have a lot of money but there is one thing you can't buy... A DINOSAUR!!!
i can snap u like a twig =p
Post Last Edit by Fallen_Angel at 2009-4-7 17:45

Personally, I think Falling Angel is better (as you can see by my name).
I have a golden beastmaster (which rocks) and i love the power. even at level 50 just click and watch thine enemies die.
My friend Jigsaw has a lvl 60 devil beastmaster that i played with before and although I like the skill poison kiss, Deep Dizzy is retarded. She has nearly mastered it but in both PvP and PvE most ppl resist it and it takes up way too much MP.
To me all illu skills are pretty much useless. I only use resistance enhanced, death contract, and my polymorph. Even my healing skill which Jigsaw argues will come in handy at lvl 65 ( I highly doubt it) barely does anything for me right now.
So naturally, I go along with the demon side, and I use a whip because I add lots of min/max ap to it and I have IAS lvl 13 (can't find a good IAS lvl 4 necky ) But for PvP i do plan to get a scythe since they do look cool

And what ppl have said on this forum only reinforces their awesomeness
I bet kuro wishes he was a demon too being it would have went along with the lucifer name hehe
I would pick illusion angel, it's like a whole new way to play game. Basically it's like a mage with super def and healing capabilities, and great AP (even with all skill attack stones, and gweap, and such). But it's only good for pvp and requires more plats than other classes to become very powerful
I must choose illu angel...
It might not be the best toon against bosses but it is one of the best in pvp.
And if u got a friend that is fallen angel... team up and u will be unstoppable...
Illusional Angel 76
Ghostom Sage 79
Illusion Angel can use all skills not just those above lvl 50.
Veneratio - 102 [Falling Angel] Yeochee - 94 [Dragoncalling Master] Thriller - 78 [Illusion Angel]   El_Chivo - 99 [Freezing Ura.nus]
I am not sure yet!  Thinking Illusion Angel.  I am a Soul Manipulator at the moment!
I think I'm gonna choose to be Illusion Angel...but...have to got to Lvl 65 first.
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All were deleted because cleaning up clutter.

FA needs nobody but LEECH LEECH LEECH
Illusion Angel needs SKILL AP SKILL AP SKILL AP

FYI. Angel Light III Gives 2k SKill AP and 10 SKill Crit and it's cumulative with Angel Light I and II.
Yes, you can use all skills in Illusion Angel form.
Yes, you get Holy damage at 65 that increases to level 74 when the skill is maxed at lvl 10  This applies to Fallen Angel.
Falling Angel is da best!!!
my server a lot of ppl chose Falling Angel
Level 43, Nature Guard
Bitcomet 3
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i'm not sure of that... Illu angel is way better in pvp.. Atm i'm lvl 70 illu with +13 skill AP soul gwep. And to most warriors i do over 10k dmg... Only warrior class i'm struggeling to beat atm is Unregenerate Demon... but well he has full st+5 with full perforation and i only got 3 st...
Illusional Angel 76
Ghostom Sage 79
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1) illusion angel and Demon Befall skills can level up 6 times.  However,  I do not know if they get s ...
Shigo Post at 2009-5-15 00:39
" illusion angel and Demon Befall skills can level up 6 times" They can lvl up ten times
Had to have a pair of slippers surgecially removed from my mouth...
IGN: Witch-King
what level of SB Gloomy Cultivation (Passive) I and II? S.one plz tell me?
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