Upanisad Transformation

Shigo

After learning many of the new lvl 80 skills Upanisad Transformation is the worst of them all....especially if a Illusion angel.
Personally, it would've been better Enhanced resistance added singluar/state resistance that equals same as the other resistances.

So yea, I'm not looking for this SB anything this lifetime.

btw, i'm an IA ^_^

darksilk

lol mine sucks too just takes 390 secs off a 3000 sec rebirth

xqme

lol mine sucks too just takes 390 secs off a 3000 sec rebirth
darksilk Post at 2009-10-25 20:13

390 off 3000 sec rebirth, is this including  your iscs? i thought it was 10% per level of that lv 80 skilll

Shigo

Rebirth cooldown reduction is accumulative from previous reduction.

It doesn't suck because if it's 390x3, that's a huge chunk out but all the skills patterns indications it will be larger.  I estimate the cooldown will drop to 15-20 minutes.  That's actually good, especially it's a passive skill.  Meaning it's free MP, free of worries if casted and consistent for better time usage...unlike missing a cast.

The first level alone drops it to 53 1/2 minutes.

Fallen_Angel

28k HP and MP...I guess FAs are strong enough...sigh...HP rebound or more elemental dmg would suffice

Shigo

Yea, the larger MP/HP doesn't help IA whatsoever.  The problem is that the GMs didnt use their brain enough to come up with a fair lvl 80 for IAs/FAs.  They seem to forget that the game they programmed had a completely opposite polar classes with IA/FA.  When I say completely different, that means FA and IA aren't even the same class lke the other paths who share many common traits.

The common trait for IA and FA is none.  Not even when they transform or having a transformation make them remotely the same or nearly the same.  Look at UM and DCM, yea they different but not when you compare it to IA or FA.  Just like NightLords and Scropios they the same but different, just like Mages, Unreg Demon etc...>They all differently the same, but IA and FA is not...That's like saying a Chinese guy is the same as a Mexican....no, don't think so.

GMs need to go back to the drawing board and fix this......
Hp/Mp is worthless when you get stun
Hp/Mp is worthless when you cannot leech while they can
Hp/Mp is worthless when you rely on the same skills while other classes have a newer strategy.


So yea, lvl 80 skill for IA/FA is utter trash.

Seraphim!

6# Shigo

Seraphim!

lol sry for that....missclick..... wanted to say how can you tell "HP worthless when you get stun"   
I always eat chicken when soloing infante/dey/archduke boss only cuz i dont have enough HP to survive when they stun me...
After stun gone my HP is up to 100% in like 1 sec....
well at least its worth something....maybe pvp...its hard enough to kill an angel anyways
Cant say that is good but overall most of lvl 80 skills can hardly make a difference

Shigo

All the skills provided by lvl 80 skills can even be further improved with a mount's upanisad.
HP doesn't matter for IA though when stun comes along knock and breaks down the door.

Adding Singular resistance to Enhanced Resistance would've been more logical.

But HP/MP?

I'll trade it for yours. =D

Seraphim!

trade for upanisad of coilshot?
its 6-9k dmg with first part....hell i do triple dmg from just 1 shot..
But maybe shorter cd and longer hold time pays off....idk, but nobody is too happy with new skills....
Unless that skill is upanisad of fraility ofc...

ThatOneCloud

coilshot will almost never hit, though.  If the damage was added to Tangle, then I'd be happy with it.

Riverfox

Rebirth cooldown reduction is accumulative from previous reduction.

It doesn't suck because if it's 390x3, that's a huge chunk out but all the skills patterns indications it will be larger.  I estima ...
Shigo Post at 26/10/2009 01:43 PM

i agree with all shigo said , lvl 80 skill of heroic doesnt suck.

Seraphim!

Yep and that, coilshot can be resisted if high earth resistance....
Altho if its working on tangle that can be pretty nice...
Not because of dmg but cuz longer hold time and lesser CD

ThatOneCloud

Yeah, the damage becomes quickly eclipsed, it's a nice boost, but the time and CD change is priceless.
(And most high level chars have high res's, so, Tangle's "Always Hits" deal is nice)
(And don't forget kids, hit before they target you and it acts like a stun)

Shigo

I heard coilshot upansiad is 100% success rate.

Warriors and archers don't have much resistance compared to mages and illusionists.
Plus, coilshot is still good though

And when I meant all new lvl 80 skills can be upgraded with a pet's upanisad, I didn't mean Transform upanisad.....because, those who do not know, pet upanisads only go to lvl 45 max. =p

Shigo

Can I get a GM feedback from a Mod?

As an IA, even FAs tend to agree, that the lvl 80 skill for us is useless.  If you need soemthing to upgrade universally for us IAs/FAs please consider Ferity Strengthened or Ehanced Resistance, since they 2 are below lvl 45,universal between the FA/IA branch, can be upgraded even further with pet upanisad like the rest of the classes and making lvl 80 skills more useful.

dicky77

Here is what GM needs to do:
make IA and FA got super IAS +9 or +10 or even higher and indestructible skill so that everyone switch to IA or FA or Give all the other class crappy skill so that FA or IA become indestructible.

Everyone then switch to become FA/IA (hell why not if they're the best class) then FA/IA players will complain again about why everyone switching to FA/IA and how the game is unbalanced.  The cycle will continue until the whiner can own everyone in the game.

carlito

Gosh. I wish they where but... What ye gonna do. --'

Shigo

Here is what GM needs to do:
make IA and FA got super IAS +9 or +10 or even higher and indestructible skill so that everyone switch to IA or FA or Give all the other class crappy skill so that FA or I ...
dicky77 Post at 2009-10-30 15:00

Obviously you're a noob so I let you in a bit of a secret what people told me

"STFU and L2P

Thanks"

But I know my classes better than anyone.  I've been playing since last year. So, what I'm saying, isn't whining or far-fetched.

As for you logic, you really need improve your IQ and gaming experience because if I had to say indestructible than FA/ IA are far behind......ESPECIALLY ILLUSION ANGEL AHHAHAHAHAHHAH
Three other classes comes to mind when it comes to overpowering, and these classes didn't get jip with a power lv 80 skill...instead it's even more godly than before.  Such as Rebirth getting a HUGE chunk of cooldown reduction at lvl III.

So no.

And personally,I'm not speaking about FA but mainly IA.  Furthermore, cruise the servers and find an IA that's a main.  GO ON FIND YOU, I DARE YOU TO SAY THEY OVERPOWER AND OVERPOPULATED.

Riverfox

Here is what GM needs to do:
make IA and FA got super IAS +9 or +10 or even higher and indestructible skill so that everyone switch to IA or FA or Give all the other class crappy skill so that FA or I ...
dicky77 Post at 31/10/2009 07:00 AM

funny guy   

always people who have no lvl 65 FA or no experience with other classes will say this